if you saw a topless woman sunbathing in the park (obviously not in singapore) and you stop and made conversation with her. both of you guys get really comfortable and she asks if she can have a look at your penis, would you show her?
if you had said yes, you would have been arrested immediately for indecent exposure!
entrapment i say! it’s really not fair that the police are going to such measures.
or if you had seen an ipod or some cash at the train station and there wasn’t anyone around and you picked it up (well, because you thought it was well, finders keepers), you would have been arrested for stealing.
seriously wtf? it’s one thing about trying to keep the city crime free but this is really not fair! they’re creating crimes to catch innocent people.
what do you think?
Apparently, singapore sometimes practise entrapment too. I think it’s really bullshit!
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since I am studying the law, thought I would shed some light. if you picked up something which is not yours, it is called misappropriation of property.
Singapore law is strict but that is what makes our country so safe.
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Darran,
It may be classified under misappropriation of property, but making a fake crime is also illegal in most countries..except singapore.
Morally speaking, as a police officer your job is to actually prevent crime, not go around making “fake crime” to boost your KPI.
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Oh man, this is ridiculous..:P
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This is seriously nuts! and I totally agree with wat tiger says, about a police officer job is to prevent crimes, and not to go about enticing ppl to commit crime… this reminds me of those corrupt cops that set traps to trap innocent ppl to commit crime and let them free if they can ‘donate some coffee money’ to the cop!
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wah.. then if my things lost, you think no one will pick it up mehz?
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tiger,
don’t really see how faking a crime gets related to a police officer now since there wasn’t any mention of one.
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Darran,
I think you should read up on the news how “undercover” cops propositioned a gay person and then arrested that gay person after he agreed. This actually happened in singapore.
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Ask your good friend Elliot Danker Charles William.
If the nude woman asks you to show her your penis, specifically I would ask why is she nude in the first place.
Regarding the 2nd point you raised, ask him specifically about Mens Rea and Actus Rea.
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lol. so what’ll happen if you claim that you’re gonna bring the stuff you picked up to the police station?
i remember some very old storybook when i was a kid that you’re supposed to do that =P
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tiger,
didn’t know u were referring to something which was not written in the post. any idea when that occurred because i am unable to keep up with news for the past few months.
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William,
If you read the article in the first place. You would have realised that it was legal to sunbathe topless in the first place. If you had read the article, then the whole point of your first question is moot.
As for mens rea, a good laywer should probably be able to prove the “criminal” lacked the motivation to commit a crime; he was simply not intent on committing a crime, he was participating on a (not so private) sexual act in which he was induced to commit where he would normally not have done so, i.e. how many topless women u see sunbathing topless who are comfortable enough to talk to you and ask you to whip out your penis?
Darran,
Please see http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2005/yax-420.htm for a pretty darn good write up on the stuff that I was talking about.
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it’s entrapment to me. plain and simple.
the law enforcers should spend their time finding real criminals rather than creating crimes to trap some innocent people.
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